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Roy wrote:
Not so sure about the seller when he makes this statement:

RARE Bambusa Vulgaris Vittata HAWAIIAN STRIPE

It's rare compared to dandelions. :laughing1:

I treat eBay as my Vegas... win some, lose some. I rarely spend over $20 on auctions that are questionable. Sometimes I've been happy, other times I've been burned. I especially like to bid on items that don't have pictures from new sellers... You can get some excellent deals that way as people really shy away from items without pictures.

I'll post a picture of whatever shows up. Hopefully it won't be lucky bamboo. :)
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My seeds came in a week or so ago and they are in the dirt.

So far

Giant May Sang Bamboo - Dendrocalamus-
Iron Bamboo - Dendrocalamus strictus -
has not came up

Moso
F. nitivita (ganna have a lot of this one.)
Has started.
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mantis wrote: I'll post an update when it arrives.
Got my bamboo yesterday. I don't know if I should use :roll: or :laughing1:. It is a single "culm" that is a 1/16" diameter new shoot that doesn't have a single leaf or even a branch bud. It does have some roots, so I gave it some root stimulator, potted it up, watered with Super Thrive, and it is now sitting on my fireplace mantle next to a window. If this boo survives it'll be a miracle beyond miracles.
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mantis wrote: I'll post an update when it arrives.
Got my bamboo yesterday. I don't know if I should use :roll: or :laughing1:. It is a single "culm" that is a 1/16" diameter new shoot that doesn't have a single leaf or even a branch bud. It does have some roots, so I gave it some root stimulator, potted it up, watered with Super Thrive, and it is now sitting on my fireplace mantle next to a window. If this boo survives it'll be a miracle beyond miracles.
What species of bamboo did the seller say it was supposed to be?
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Roy wrote:
What species of bamboo did the seller say it was supposed to be?
Bambusa emeiensis flavidorivens

But it really doesn't matter anymore because my wife destroyed the plant today when she put garland up on the fireplace mantle... she didn't think to move the little boo before hand, and it took a 5' dive off the mantle onto a tile floor. Snap, snap, snap. Dead. Oh well, at least I didn't have a lot of money invested in it. :roll:
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mantis, it took me a while to get that one. I finally got it from Sherry Snodgress. Evidently, it is hard to propagate.
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Mantis do not give up on a rooted ryzome that easily... it may still make it.
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marcat - Yeah, I still have it in a pot. I'll keep the soil moist, and see if anything happens.

boonut - It actually isn't a bamboo I was searching for, but I figured I'd give it a go... especially for less than $10. Now that I have B. lako and B. chungii the bamboo on top of my wish list is B. emeiensis 'Viridiflavus'... well actually it's G. atroviolacea 'Watupawan', but I'm not expecting to find that one anytime soon.
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Went out to the greenhouse yesterday, and to my amazement the little B. emeiensis 'Flavidorivens' has a couple branches popping out. :shock: I can't imagine that it will survive to adulthood, but at least it is showing signs of life.
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Himalacalamus falconri (candy stripe) would be an interesting one to try from seed. With all the colors it has, who knows how the genes could get stirred up when growing it from seed.
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Ok, here is a picture of my eBay B. emeiensis flavidorivens. As you can see on the topmost node there are a couple branches emerging. It'll be interesting to see what this evolves into (if it actually survives).


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I just came across this fantastic site and forum and seeing this thread had to post as I have some experience with this.

We have an acreage and I'm basically in the midst of doing what Boo Nut has done with his acreage only ours is much smaller and located in the Pacific Northwest so we are growing entirely different varieties.

I read a lot of discussion about growing from seeds across the 'net before ordering and trying it myself. Some quite heated.

As long as you realize that you are not necessarily going to get a plant identical to a popular clone of that variety and that bamboo seeds are hard to germinate and increasingly (exponentially in my experience) harder to germinate the older they are then the rest is just a decision of how much money is worth risking.

I've sourced seeds from several sources but mostly from the lady in Germany (the exotic seeds site).

I've emailed her and asked when they get new seeds and she has indicated generally March onwards.

In my experience fresh seeds are incredibly easy to germinate but as the months go by and you order later and later they become very difficult to germinate with the ratio going way down.

I've kept records and for the fresh seeds I generally get over 90% germination rate, those same seeds in general from the same source 6 months later are usually around 10% however some varieties continue to germinate surprisingly well.

I don't' know how they store their seeds but probably a lot depends on that.

Also how you start them seems to be pretty critical to how successful you are. They are terribly prone to damping off fungal infection, that's the number one problem but if you take precautions I've found there to be little difference with other factors as long as the seeds are fresh.

Of the ones I've tried, the seeds I've had the best success with even as they get more stale seem to be:
Hymalayacalamus Falconeri - always 90% germination
Bambusa Ventricosa - closer to 99% germination
Chimonobambusa Yunanensis - 75% germination

The Phyllostachys Pubescens "moso" I had initially great sucess with and got very close to 100% germination last spring.
Unfortunately I wasn't prepared for the damping off which killed all but a few of them that I nursed to a second culm and have since been doing well.
However, those same moso seeds from the same source 8 months later I got zero germination using the same techniques.

Some that I never had any success with are:
Bambusa Textilis - 1 out of 50 sprouted
Chimonobambusa Tumidisnoda 0 sprouted

However I don't know if that was because they were old seeds or I was doing something wrong etc so I haven't written anything off yet, but I'll be contacting the supplier to find out how fresh they are in future before purchasing.


In short you can easily grow bamboo from seeds given that they are fresh enough and I think it's worthwhile *because* you never know what you are going to get in terms of mutants.
I'm confident that when a long term supplier like the woman in Germany says it's a Moso or any particular variety they are generally using valid and correct information.
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John, sounds like your germination rates are very good, would be interested to know more about the method you use.

I've just purchased a few different varieties from the German lady to try out.

I was planning on building a heating box to put the seed trays on.
Her site http://www.exotic-plants.de suggests keeping the seeds at 86F in cat litter.

Has anyone tried this method of germination?
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tg71771 wrote:John, sounds like your germination rates are very good, would be interested to know more about the method you use.

I've just purchased a few different varieties from the German lady to try out.

I was planning on building a heating box to put the seed trays on.
Her site http://www.exotic-plants.de suggests keeping the seeds at 86F in cat litter.

Has anyone tried this method of germination?
She does need to get the correct pictures to match the names of these 2 bamboos or vice versa:

Bambusa ventricosa - Buddha Belly bamboo
http://www.exotic-plants.de/englisch/Ba ... ricosa.php

Bambusa vulgaris - common bamboo
http://www.exotic-plants.de/englisch/Ba ... lgaris.php
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tg71771 wrote:John, sounds like your germination rates are very good, would be interested to know more about the method you use.

I've just purchased a few different varieties from the German lady to try out.

I was planning on building a heating box to put the seed trays on.
Her site http://www.exotic-plants.de suggests keeping the seeds at 86F in cat litter.

Has anyone tried this method of germination?
Never tried the kitty litter, sounds like it *might* be valid.

Through a lot of trial and error and over 400 bamboo seeds I've hit upon this method:

0) Get the freshest seeds possible. Ideally just harvested within the last 90 days. If they are older than that expect less germination and adjust accordingly by buying more seeds. Some species seem way more viable when older than others and I haven't worked it out fully yet but best results are obtained with fresh seeds. As far as I can tell the majority of fresh seeds are harvested in May-June if they are coming from China. Ph. Pubscense "moso" I have been told is an exception coming in the fall instead.

1) Get some anti fungal solution, the kind you get in garden centers to prevent "damping off". I use a product called "no damp".

2) Mix up the solution, get a set of short drinking glasses or shot glasses depending on how many seeds you have.

3) Find a warm place you can keep the glasses for at least 48 hours where the temperature will be as warm as possible but *never* go over 100f to be safe. Weed seeds are reportedly killed quite reliably at 131f or higher so it's not clear where the dividing line between faster germination and death occurs but I have never used a heating mat and have germinated fresh seeds at room temperature many times.

4) Put each type of seed in it's own glass fill up with the anti fungal solution mixed to manufacturers directsion. Some seeds will sink, some will float. So far I've found no difference in germination, I think it's just air trapped in the husk around the seed.

5) Label each glass if you have many varieties. You will be labelling a lot at every stage.

6) Soak the seeds. I've found fresh seeds will start to germinate within 48 hours while soaking, you could use this as a way to separate viable seeds but I wouldn't count on it. I soak for 48 hours either way.

7) Prepare your growing container with a damp medium of some kind in it. Of course fresh seedlings supply their own food so you can grow in perlite or anything, however I tend to leave mine to develop as many roots as possible before removing them to their own pots so I use a seedling mix that contains rooting fertilizer as well as perlite and peat moss etc. It basically looks like very organic dirt in the bag and is very fine which makes it easier to remove them later on. I used to use peat pots but it's a real hassle keeping them all hydrated, you can't fit as many into a mini greenhouse and since many don't sprout it's a waste of peat pots. What I use is a mini greenhouse with a clear plastic lid, the seedling mixture and some more freshly mixed anti fungal solution to wet it down. You want it damp but not so wet you can sqeeze water out of it. I just wash my hands thoroughly to prevent infection of the growing medium, dump in a good amount leaving a bit of head space at the top then pour in the anti fungal solution a bit at a time mixing by hand until it's right. then I flatten it all out and plan out the rows and columns to fit the seeds in.

8 ) Plant the seeds, leave enough room between each one so that you can fit a kitchen fork in under the seedlings to pull them out later, i.e. pretty tight together. When they are tiny the roots are not easily entangled or at least not to the point you can easily separate them just by lifint one out. The seeds you get will either be pointy like grains of rice or a roundish ball which is the inside bit from the husk but the husk has worn away. If they are pointy the seedling emerges from the blunt end so you can just push them in so the blunt end is just covered by soil. In either case plant them about a seed height under the growing medium. That is very close to the top for the tiny seeds, almost laying on top but slightly covered.

9) Cover the trays and keep them in a warm place but at all costs avoid direct sunlight shining into the greenhouse. Sun can quickly raise the temperature inside to killing levels. I personally put them on a rack in my office at home high up so they get the warmest air but don't use a heating mat of any kind. The heating mats I've seen you can't set an accurate temperature, all they say is something like "raises the temperature by 15 degrees over ambient" which sounds flakey to me.

10) Leave them to sprout. The majority of mine have sprouted within 2 weeks if the seeds are fresh but some have taken months. Basically you can leave them covered in the trays with a little indirect window light (or LED grow light) once they've sprouted up until the point that they are too tall and start touching the plastic lid at which point they *have* to be removed as they should not be left touching the lid at all.

11) Use a kitchen fork, gently ease it in beside the sprout and hook it upwards like your digging up some mashed potatoes to eat. Gently pull it up and you should get the seedling, a small ball of soil at the bottom of it and sticking out of the ball of soil a root that slides out and is longer than you expected but undamaged.

Plant them in small pots, I've found a 3 inch is ideal. I use again more of the seedling mix as it's designed to promote root growth and that's what you want. It's easiest to use dry seedling mix because you can make a little well that conforms to the seedling and it's tap root and basically lay it in without having to put any pressure on any part of the plant at all.

Make sure to leave head space in the pot for watering or else the water will just run off the soil and over the edge of the pot. I.e. plant them halfway down or slightly above that. Once the seedling is layed in, gently shake the pot to cover the root or gently move the dirt around with the fork to cover it.

When all the seedlings are planted put the pots in the base of a mini greenhouse (or a sink with the plug in) and fill the base with room temperature water and let the pots soak up the water from the bottom until you see the top of the soil look wet.

This way you're not washing them away by watering from the top. The seedling growing mix holds it's water for quite some time so it's ideal as you don't have to mess with them too much. Put the pots in a place where they can get indirect sunlight and aren't subject to too much cold or wind. If they were started inside and you want to go outside you will have to harden them off, this should take at least a week and there are lot's of guides to hardening off online. This is the easiest stage to kill them so do it carefully if you want to put them outside.

You can water them in future from the top but you have to be really careful, I use a turkey baster to water them from the top when necessary.

I've experimented with putting a little bit of nursery slow release outdoor plant food pellets on top and also tried liquid organic fertilizer, neither seems to make a bit of difference in my opinion but I was quite light with both so possibly it wasn't enough to matter, I didn't want to kill them by overfeeding them.

12) For any that haven't sprouted after some time that you don't want to completely give up on you can simply punch some holes in the bottom of the mini greenhouse tray (carefully from the bottom without spilling out the growing mix) or drill them is even easier and set the tray out in a shady location that can get rain etc and just leave them. If they don't sprout by winter you can just toss the bunch.

I find it easiest to grow them up under red/blue LED grow light panels which consume very little power and don't generate any heat. They can easily be mounted to the bottom of a shelf in a shelving unit and the tray put under them and the bamboo grown until the weather outside is warm enough to start hardening off to go outside.

So far in my experience you will get a bit of strong growth at first with usually one culm for most varieites then two tiny culms then as early as 10 months later you will start to get the more serious and recognizable though tiny culms coming up. (I've only been doing this a year. My MOSO's from last fall are just now putting up a new culm but I really damaged them with fungus damping off so that might have delayed them as well).

Also if you have cats watch out as they will like to nibble off the sprouts which is very annoying.
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