large bamboo ID needed

[litibu]

Hi all. Trying to ID a bamboo here locally for sale (nayarit, mexico). Dont let the Mexico part sway you could be anything. Lots of cultivars here.

I do not have access to the grove -just the rooted culms in bags.

The culms are 5.75" in diameter - I have to assume that they species can grow larger than this.

culm walls near base are thick (over 1/2")

Mature Culms apear straight and pure emerald green.

New emerging shoots have some black hairs but not furry per se.

Leaves are large - on a 1" culm leaves are 10" long and 2" wide

There are no white rings on culms and no spines.

Will try to post a pic tomorrow.

Thanks

[litibu]

Here are some pics as promised. I don't have one of the mature culm because the bagged plants for sale (rooted culm sections) were 15 feet tall and would not fit in my truck, so i opted for this cut off one at a discount price $100 pesos ($9 USD)

http://www.banderasbay.com/admin_galler ... 2860100024

Ok what is this beast?

Thanks

Everyone!


ps. the mature large culms are identical in color to the small one I've pictured here.

[Roy]

Jeff,

When I first looked at your image of the new shoot, I thought "Wow, I've seen something like that before!" Not as sure now though. If you had taken your shoot picture 90 degrees more to the right or left, then perhaps it would look more like a B tulda shoot. And that's only just a wild guess. I've never grown B. tulda and can't ID your plant, but perhaps others will be able to ID it.

http://www.bambooweb.info/ShowPictures. ... ton=Search
<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... tulda4.jpg" alt="Bambusa tulda ">

<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... ta_01s.jpg" alt="Bambusa tulda 'Striata'">

[litibu]

well I actually planted this bamboo in the field today. From the root structure and shape of forming culms, all I can say for sure is that it is a clumper.

B. tulda from the data online is not large enough (culms 4"). The cut off culm in my bag was 5.75 so this one is bigger.

Also other specimens she had from same clone still had the full culm and they were all bright green. Apparently no darkening with age at all.

Any other ideas?

[litibu]

I'm thinking Dendrocalamus latiflorus. Shoots look the same. Size is right. Its also dark green, and has large leaves.

Also there was a guy here from Thailand about 15 years ago who somehow brought over many plants from Thailand. He was the original source for dragonfruit, litchi, and maybe this bamboo as well -- who knows.

But this plant nursery did buy his old stock when he retired - so could be latiflorus.

But just a guess...

anyone know if latiflorus has thick culm walls???

[Roy]

B. tulda from the data online is not large enough (culms 4"). The cut off culm in my bag was 5.75 so this one is bigger.

Any other ideas?

Not that I'm pushing B. tulda (because I really have no real idea on the ID), but you can't always go by the Source List. B. oldhamii is supposed to max. out at 4 inches, but I have some 5 inchers.

<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... ii_5in.jpg" alt="Bambusa oldhamii ">

<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... hamii1.jpg" alt="Bambusa oldhamii ">

[Roy]

I'm thinking Dendrocalamus latiflorus. Shoots look the same. Size is right. Its also dark green, and has large leaves.

Also there was a guy here from Thailand about 15 years ago who somehow brought over many plants from Thailand. He was the original source for dragonfruit, litchi, and maybe this bamboo as well -- who knows.

But this plant nursery did buy his old stock when he retired - so could be latiflorus.

But just a guess...

anyone know if latiflorus has thick culm walls???

That was the first one I looked at but your new shoots don't look anything like D. latiflorus.

Now I don't know anything about D. latiflorus, from personal experience. I'm just looking at the pictures in the Bambooweb.info gallery.

<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... lorus9.jpg" alt="Dendrocalamus latiflorus ">

<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... us.022.jpg" alt="Dendrocalamus latiflorus ">

[litibu]

you could be right, tulda shoots do look more like white i have. Could be a very happy tulda -- nearly 50% larger culm diameters:

4.0 versus at least 5.75

tulda also has large leaves up to 10" . These are a bit bigger but close.

I need to go get a photo of an adult culm to see what the rings look like etc.

[Roy]

you could be right, tulda shoots do look more like white i have. Could be a very happy tulda -- nearly 50% larger culm diameters:

Whoa now. Don't go jumping to conclusions that my wild guesses might be right.

4.0 versus at least 5.75

tulda also has large leaves up to 10" . These are a bit bigger but close.

I need to go get a photo of an adult culm to see what the rings look like etc.

Now you are back track seeking answers.

How far do you have to go to get photos of an adult culm? And while you are there, take some pictures of the clump, culm sheaths, and etc.

[litibu]

clump is gone. owner sold it. Some culms are in bags about an hr from here. They sold the rest for lumber.

Ill get back there in next couple days to get a good pic of the adult culm (or more adult) For all i know adult culms are eve bigger.

All i have access to is 10 big culms in bags (10 to 15 feet tall and 5" to 6" in diameter)

[litibu]

ok added some better shoot pics:

http://www.banderasbay.com/admin_galler ... 2860100024

also noticed that the culms are slightly oval (5.75" in one direction, just over 5" in the other)

[Roy]

ok added some better shoot pics:

http://www.banderasbay.com/admin_galler ... 2860100024

also noticed that the culms are slightly oval (5.75" in one direction, just over 5" in the other)

All right. I'm going back out on a limb and guess some more. Hopefully with some better logic.

Pic. 1....Your image of a small new shoot.

Pic 2...New shoot from the bambusa vulgaris family. It's a picture of B. vulgaris 'wamin'. There wasn't a good image of what I wanted in the regular B. vulgaris gallery. Notice the similarities in the new shoots? Your shoot is small and doesn't have the massive amount of "hairs" a larger culm would have.

Pic 3...ABS Source list say 4 inch max. diameter for B. vulgaris. Pic 3 images shows B. vulgaris much larger than 4 inches.

So perhaps this is B. vulgaris. I can usually look at B. vulgaris and quickly say that it's B. vulgaris, but for some reason or another, perhaps not just the right image, I can't be real positive. But Bambusa vulgaris is my current thinking. And my understanding is that B. vulgaris is all over Central America as it was brought in to prop up banana plants. Its roots very easily for just about any piece of the plant. It is a dark green in color.

Pic 1


Pic 2
<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... in.811.jpg" alt="Bambusa vulgaris 'Wamin'">

Pic 3
<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo/Bvulgaris9.jpg" alt="Bambusa vulgaris ">

[boonut]

I think you are right on the B. Vulgaris track. Mine sure do look like that. I live just 24 miles north of the Mexican border in deep south Texas.

ID down here is sometimes difficult because of the microclimates. One of the first bamboo I propagated was B. vulgaris. I thought it was something else. I didn't know as much at that time and the original clump came from a house in town and the owner said it had never frozen back in over 23 years. I knew that it got pretty cold back in the 80's. Researching what clumpers were sold over 30 years ago in the Rio Grande Valley, I came up with some wrong conclusions.

I now strongly believe that my first 30 or so propagations were of B. Vulgaris. They look like the shoots in the pics.

Mine are now about 3 inches in diameter and getting larger each year.

[Roy]

I think you are right on the B. Vulgaris track. Mine sure do look like that. I live just 24 miles north of the Mexican border in deep south Texas.

ID down here is sometimes difficult because of the microclimates. One of the first bamboo I propagated was B. vulgaris. I thought it was something else. I didn't know as much at that time and the original clump came from a house in town and the owner said it had never frozen back in over 23 years. I knew that it got pretty cold back in the 80's. Researching what clumpers were sold over 30 years ago in the Rio Grande Valley, I came up with some wrong conclusions.

I now strongly believe that my first 30 or so propagations were of B. Vulgaris. They look like the shoots in the pics.

Mine are now about 3 inches in diameter and getting larger each year.

I think the ABS Source List of 30 F is a little bit high for B. vulgaris. I see it growing in the interior sections of central Florida and I know it gets colder than the 30 F listing for B. vulgaris.

[boonut]

Bringing bamboo in from Mexico is a serious no-no. I go into Mexico from time to time for Dental visits, prescription drugs and other things. One time I left some old culms in the back of my truck. When I returned from Mexico, I got pulled over and they searched every inch of my truck looking for live bamboo or anything that could be propagated.

The culms were B. Vulgaris and they were dried. They finally let me go and let me keep the culms in the truck.