Unknown Middle Tennessee Bamboo #17
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Unknown Middle Tennessee Bamboo #17
I would like to further muddy the ID waters with my #17.
Once again I am unable to post the picture here, but you can see it over in the picture gallery under Unknown.
Someone help me with the picture thing. I appear to be forum ignorant.
Once again I am unable to post the picture here, but you can see it over in the picture gallery under Unknown.
Someone help me with the picture thing. I appear to be forum ignorant.
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Re: Unknown Middle Tennessee Bamboo #17
<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... own_17.jpg" alt="Unknown">David wrote:I would like to further muddy the ID waters with my #17.
Once again I am unable to post the picture here, but you can see it over in the picture gallery under Unknown.
Someone help me with the picture thing. I appear to be forum ignorant.
<img src="http://www.bambooweb.info/images/bamboo ... lation.jpg" alt="Unknown">
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Well, at the risk of sounding redundant, for #17 I'm going with Bissetii. Do you have reason to think it is a different species? Most any & all Phyllostachys will turn yellow with age and full sun, so don't let that aspect sway you with the ID.
The lack of lower branching also should not sway you in an ID, as I was just boring my wife last night by explaining to her that bamboo will 'learn' to stop producing low branches in shady conditions such as the interior of a grove, because the leaves do the plant no good, they'll stop wasting energy producing low branches on the culms. Once the message to stop the low branching has been sent, the culms on the exterior of the grove will not have them either unless that part of the grove begins to remain in sunnier conditions, then future generations of culms will again start to produce low branches in that part of the grove. A direct and clear response to environmental conditions.
It is particularly interesting to see species with sulcus coloration, continue to have the coloration despite the fact that there is no longer a sulcus due to the lack of lower branches. Yellow groove becomes Yellow grooveless...
The lack of lower branching also should not sway you in an ID, as I was just boring my wife last night by explaining to her that bamboo will 'learn' to stop producing low branches in shady conditions such as the interior of a grove, because the leaves do the plant no good, they'll stop wasting energy producing low branches on the culms. Once the message to stop the low branching has been sent, the culms on the exterior of the grove will not have them either unless that part of the grove begins to remain in sunnier conditions, then future generations of culms will again start to produce low branches in that part of the grove. A direct and clear response to environmental conditions.
It is particularly interesting to see species with sulcus coloration, continue to have the coloration despite the fact that there is no longer a sulcus due to the lack of lower branches. Yellow groove becomes Yellow grooveless...
Brad Salmon, zone 12B Kea'au, HI
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Brad,
I agree with you I also think this one is bissettii. The two groves look entirely diff. when seen as a whole. The #18 grove is very dark green with some lighter colored culms, but none that one could call yellow. #18 has arching culms with lots of large dark green leaves. And then there are those worrisome crooks. #17 is lighter green, taller, smaller leaves, and very sraight.
I agree with you I also think this one is bissettii. The two groves look entirely diff. when seen as a whole. The #18 grove is very dark green with some lighter colored culms, but none that one could call yellow. #18 has arching culms with lots of large dark green leaves. And then there are those worrisome crooks. #17 is lighter green, taller, smaller leaves, and very sraight.
David Arnold
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
USDA zone 6b
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
USDA zone 6b
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Lance,
Yes, that was me and my lovely wife Beth. I've gotten to know the Lewis family over the last several years, and finer people you will never meet. Roger and Roger Jr. are very knowledgeable, and I always feel like I've been to a bamboo seminar after visiting with them. You can't go wrong ordering from them. They have great plants, and they're fine, honest people.
I got 2- 25 gal Henon, 2- 10gal Nigra black, a very large Decora FS, a Flexuosa FS, a 7 gal Slender crookstem, a 15 gal Psedosasa amabilis and a Tessellatus. I already had Henon, and Black but these were such fantastic plants that I had to get them.
I'm using the Tessellatuss to stabilize an area of one of my creeks that is eroding away.
All are already in the ground, but the bamboo installer is now paying the soreness price!
I got positive ID's for #18 (Arcana), and # 17( Bissettii) from, Roger while I was there. I cut down canes of each and took prints of the shoots for Roger to see..
Well anyway those are my new bamboo babies, all tucked in and ready to jump this Spring.
Yes, that was me and my lovely wife Beth. I've gotten to know the Lewis family over the last several years, and finer people you will never meet. Roger and Roger Jr. are very knowledgeable, and I always feel like I've been to a bamboo seminar after visiting with them. You can't go wrong ordering from them. They have great plants, and they're fine, honest people.
I got 2- 25 gal Henon, 2- 10gal Nigra black, a very large Decora FS, a Flexuosa FS, a 7 gal Slender crookstem, a 15 gal Psedosasa amabilis and a Tessellatus. I already had Henon, and Black but these were such fantastic plants that I had to get them.
I'm using the Tessellatuss to stabilize an area of one of my creeks that is eroding away.
All are already in the ground, but the bamboo installer is now paying the soreness price!
I got positive ID's for #18 (Arcana), and # 17( Bissettii) from, Roger while I was there. I cut down canes of each and took prints of the shoots for Roger to see..
Well anyway those are my new bamboo babies, all tucked in and ready to jump this Spring.
David Arnold
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
USDA zone 6b
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
USDA zone 6b
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I'm trying to grow 2 diff. clones of Moso. I have a seedling that I had in the groung for 2 seasons that was just not doing well. It was shooting so early that the shoots were getting frozen so I dug it up and put it in a 25 gal pot, and plan on putting it in a 50 gal pot this year. It has some interesting coloration on the leaves and culms that I'm hoping will persist, but you know how that is.
I've got an 'Anderson clone' in the ground that looks great, but it hasn't put up any shoots yet. Moso FS are very slow to get started but I'm hoping it will shoot this year and hopefully shoot later than its seedling friend.
I really like Henon and for me so far it is more vigorous than Vivax. I'm planting the Henon as a light background for the Nigra black. I think they will look great together.
Do you have Moso? If you do, I need your clone!
I've got an 'Anderson clone' in the ground that looks great, but it hasn't put up any shoots yet. Moso FS are very slow to get started but I'm hoping it will shoot this year and hopefully shoot later than its seedling friend.
I really like Henon and for me so far it is more vigorous than Vivax. I'm planting the Henon as a light background for the Nigra black. I think they will look great together.
Do you have Moso? If you do, I need your clone!
David Arnold
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
USDA zone 6b
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
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I planted both Henon, and Vivax 2 1/2 years ago. Both are growing in creek bottom soil. Both were about the same size when planted. Both get about 6 hrs of sun. The henon has 3 times the canes as the vivax, and has visible rhizomes 10 ft away from the mother plant. The Vivax is still clumping, and has smaller canes. This spring will be their 3rd shooting season and should really tell the story. If I could only grow 1 timber bamboo it would be Henon.
David Arnold
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
USDA zone 6b
Middle Tennessee Bamboo Farm
USDA zone 6b