fredgpops wrote:
Buying something sold as tortoise is, to me, like buying part of the Brooklyn Bridge. No love or giving a good try to someone going for fools gold. Rgds

Well yes, I knew that it was not Moso, let alone Heterocycla. I was knowingly buying a chunk of what was reputedly a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge as a souvenier. It was dirt cheap. Like $5 or $10. I will call it "Brooklyn Bridge" bamboo now. It also has some PNW historic color. It came from a collection of boos that some old coot had in central Oregon. They had Buddah, Bory, Allgold, Harbin, vivax, and a lot of mis-marked stuff. The owner supposedly had OCD. He was compulsively moving and re-organizing the bamboos, and driving the manager nuts. The bamboos from there also had some surprises in the pot as well. They were planted in an exotic mix of fir cones, concrete chunks, and wads of clay with a thin veneer of topsoil. From that day forth, I have repotted every bamboo that I have bought. Some lessons are good in the end, and this particular unknown bamboo has been rather amusing for some years now.
Which also reminds me, when I was last at Ned's (Bamboo Garden) he jokingly (or maybe not, sometimes it is hard to read Ned) tried to get me to buy in on his Heterocycla experient that he was doing there. He had bought a huge culm of tortoise shell. On examination, the culm did not have any rhizome, just roots. They had buried it sideways to try to get the culm to produce rhizome from the culms and branches. So in that case at least, he was trying to sell me on some bona fide tortiose shell bamboo. There and Hakone Garden are the only two places I have seen Tortoise Shell (Phy. edulis Heterocycla).